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This group will be watching for contrasts throughout the book: truth/perception vs. reality, the dual narratives, the interspersed description of the older Pi in places, the word choices that seem in conflict with the mood, etc.

Make sure to put your group members' names, so I can give you credit!! - Mrs. Davis
"We commonley say that the most dangerous animal in the zoo is man..."(Martel 36).

Our group found this quote and decided that man is the most harmful animal becasue it can cause more damage to an animal than the animal would ever intentionally cause to it, out of sheer bordeom or the need for entertainment man weather it an 80 year old woman feeding the ducks bread or the radical convict feeding them knives, they still face more of a danger not only to themselves but also to other humans as well.

So our thought is what would it be like if we were the ones behind bars?

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We know so far in the story that Pi is stranded on a boat with a Zebra, Tiger, Hyena,and Monkey so this is a good point as to truth and perception, we know that this is not a true story and yet we are describing these things like they have actually happened,and yet it is obvious that they have not. So my question would have to be: Is Pi really stranded on this boat or is this just a mental srtuggle to choosse or descovery religion by the author?
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"To the gurgling beat of my greedy throat, pure delicious, beautiful water..."(Page 179).
Living without water is the worst feeling in the world, as a group i really think that it would be so much worse than being hungry.
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"With feline speed he had lept across the lifeboat and struck me. I was to have my face clawed off...this was the gruesome way to die" (Page 227).
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Existentialism---Our Thoughts, Images, and Discoveries

Existentialism Quote- ''I survived because i forgot even the very notion of time." pg 242
This is existentialism because what is time, what could be a minute to one person could be hours to another person.
Existentialism Quote- "Once upon a time there was a banana and it grew. It grew until it was large, firm, yellow and fragrant. Then it fell to the ground and someone came upon it and ate it and afterwards that person felt better." pg 319
This is an example of absurd using a paradox.
Existentialism Quote- " Memory is an ocean and he bobs on its surface. pg 53.
Its a zen koan. It sounds paradoxical but alters are perception in nature with an inner meaning.
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This is a good example of moving through space and time therefore representing existentalism with infintive answers.MBaltakis(Davis)
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This is existentalism because I am really confused and it is thought provoking and is kind of a paradox.RCampagnola(Davis)---Interesting, Ryan. Why do you think it's a paradox? i.e. What is paradoxical about it?

Because of the diversity of positions associated with existentialism, the term is impossible to define precisely. Certain themes common to virtually all existentialist writers can, however, be identified. The term itself suggests one major theme: the stress on concrete individual existence and, consequently, on subjectivity, individual freedom, and choice.
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lly liked this quote because we thought it was a good example of existenialism because you do not always know how to define it and to everyone the inner meaning is different. BKnigge(Davis)


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Reread what you wrote here....awkward phrasing---> not what they appear to be and some people are not able to even see the other part of the picture, so our group has decided that this is a papadoxial koan.

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This messes with your mind.MBaltakis(Davis) (Explain why this messes with your mind, Michael.)

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This is extentialism because it is not what you think it is and it relates to Pi because he is on a raft. RCampagnola(Davis).

Fix your spelling mistakes (Mrs. Davis)
Our group thought that the Winnie th Pooh Paradoy is a really funny form of existencialism, to us the quetions pooh askes as simploe as they are cannot be aswered by a simple solution. They are questions that a person could spen their entire life trying to figure out the questions of why we are who we are instead of something else. It is so odd to think of things in the reasoning that we have decided what we are, to me this is a really good example of a Koan because like choosing what you want to be that changes with age and so does everyone and there personality. That is why a lot of people often change> But overall our group really thought that this short childrens story made us think and question a lot of important things in life while keeping a light fun feeling with the story.
BKnigge,PFairchild,MBaltakis,RCampagnola(Davis)


"Existentialism is a philosophical movement which claims that individual human beings create the meanings and essence of their own lives. It emerged as a movement in twentieth-century literature and philosophy, with some forerunners in earlier centuries. Existentialism stresses that people are entirely free and therefore responsible for what they make of themselves. With this responsibility comes a profound anguish or dread. It is a reaction against more traditional philosophies, such as rationalism and empiricism, which sought to discover an ultimate order in metaphysical principles or in the structure of the observed world, and therefore universal meaning. The movement had its origins in the thought of the 19th century philosophers Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and was prevalent in Continental philosophy. Writers like Dostoevsky also contributed to the movement.

In the 1940s and 1950s, French existentialists such as Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, and Simone de Beauvoir wrote scholarly and fictional works that helped to popularize themes associated with existentialism, including "dread, boredom, alienation, the absurd, freedom, commitment, [and] nothingness".**[**1] Existentialism was described by Walter Kaufman as, "The refusal to belong to any school of thought, the repudiation of the adequacy of any body of beliefs whatever, and especially of systems, and a marked dissatisfaction with traditional philosophy as superficial, academic, and remote from life"." (Wikipedia) (Posted By: kfritzDavis1)



According to the words "helped to popularize themes" of existentialism, Pi is suffering from dread of dying alone at sea, the boredom of being stranded in a life boat with nothing to do but fish and wait to die, and the absurd; when he believes that Richard Parker has begun to speak to him. These components can quite possibly lead to thoughts of existentialism. Asking about the meaning of survival and life when he is inches from death is a Koan and the answer can only be found with time. Comment by: kfritz (davis 1)

            • This is good information, but how does it help us understand Pi? Add to what and how this helps you.---Mrs. Davis

"We parished away. It happened slowly, so that i didn't notice it all the time. but i noticed it regularly. We were two emaciated mammals, parched and starving." (Martel 301)

Because Pi knows that he is dying (very slowly) gives him ground for thinking about his life; what he has done, who he has met, and who he has become. These thoughts might make him wonder if his chioces in life led him to the place he is right now and that he did not want to be who he was and in this predicament. Comment by kfritz (davis1)




Doors
Doors
The End
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...f* you
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end
In these lyrics by the Doors,


I love this reference and what a great song to put here. But, could you explain how you see that it fits?--Mrs. Davis
Of course!!! well, i thought these were really good lyrics to explain existentialism because they are talking about the "end" (death) and what it might be like. of course no one really knows what the "end" will be like. " My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free, But you'll never follow me, The end of laughter and soft lies, The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end". Those particular lines explain existentialism to me the best because he is saying that no one can follow him where he is going because death is different for everybody. it is up to him what his "afterlife destiny" will be. but in Earth it is the end of everything tangible and physical. (Comment By: kfritz davis1)



I know this quote is in chapter 92, but i found it so relevant to the topic of existentialism I had to add it. This quote is said right after Pi finds the fruit with human teeth in it. After he realizes what the island is and that there was one more person that suffered a sad, slow and lonely death:
"How many dreams of a happy life dashed? How much hope come to nothing? How much stored-up conversation died unsaid? How much loneliness endured? How much hopelessness taken on? And after all that, what of it? What to show for it?" (martel 356)
This quote i thought was interesting because i think those words are true for everyone. When you die, of course you aren't going to be able to have more conversations or dreams. All of that stops with you when you die. Granted, given the circumstances, the person was alone on the island and he/she had no one to interact with, but never the less, that quote is true with everyone. I think Pi is afraid he will die the same way. Alone. with no one to talk to, to share with. i think that is Pi's biggest fear, not the dying itself. (comment By :kfritz Davis1)

The Winnie the Pooh parody about existentialism was one of the most interesting things our group had ever read. We thought it was funny that such a classic children's story could tackle a topic so radical. The message of "We are who we chose to be" is thought provoking. And upon further thought, our group has decided that is exactly right. We are who we choose to be because it is the choices we make everyday that form our personalities and beings. If one wanted to be someone else, all he or she would have to do would be to make different decisions than normal. simply by doing that, we change our morals, thoughts, dreams and personalities; turning us into someone completely different on the inside. Comment by kfritz, arios ,and jonnytootall (davis1)



Absolute Individuality and Absolute Freedom.

The Existentialist conceptions of freedom and value arise from their view of the individual. Since we are all ultimately alone, isolated islands of subjectivity in an objective world, we have absolute freedom over our internal nature, and the source of our value can only be internal.
II. The Existentialist View of Human Nature.
Existentialism is defined by the slogan Existence precedes Essence . This means:
1. We have no predetermined nature or essence that controls what we are, what we do, or what is valuable for us.
2. We are radically free to act independently of determination by outside influences.
3. We create our own human nature through these free choices.
4. We also create our values through these choices.
The Existentialist View (We create our own nature.): We are thrown into existence first without a predetermined nature and only later do we construct our nature or essence through our actions.

Again, This is good information, but how does it help us understand Pi? Add to what and how this helps you.---Mrs. Davis


EXISTENCE PRECEDES ESSENCE

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This slogan is opposed to the traditional view that Essence precedes Existence, according to which we are seen as having a given nature that determines what we are and what our ultimate purpose or value is. We are understood by analogy to artifacts which are made with a pre-existing idea or concept of what they will be and what they will be good for.

And again... This is good information, but how does it help us understand Pi? Add to what and how this helps you.---Mrs. Davis

The Traditional View (which Sartre argues against):

ESSENCE PRECEDES EXISTENCE**
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The human situation for the Existentialist is thus characterized by:
1. Facticity (throwness): We find ourselves existing in a world not of our own making and indifferent to our concerns. We are not the source of our existence, but find ourselves thrown into a world we don't control and didn't choose.
2. Anxiety: We are faced with the lack of any external source of value and determination. We are faced with the responsibility of choosing our own nature and values, and, in doing so, we are faced we must face the awesome responsibility of choosing human nature and values for all men in our free choices.
3. Despair: In seeing the contrast between the world we re thrown into and which we cannot control and the absolute freedom we have to create ourselves, we must despair of any hope of external value or determination and restrict ourselves to what is under our own control.
Make sure, when you add a quote, picture, etc., to discuss it, question it, try to find deeper meaning as it relates to Pi.--Mrs. Davis